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Good Morning, Hello and a Question

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Good morning,

been few years since I was on here but I am back flying again so I said id make an appearance.

I have just renewed my expired JAR PPL to an EASA PPL and waiting on the SOLI to be changed from UK to Ireland.

I have also purchased a share in an ikarus microlight so looking forward getting some honest flying in after a long break.

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I have one question though I heard during my renewal last year that the IAA were changing the rules for 12 hours for PPL (A) in that hours from a 3 axis mircolight can be used against your renewal. Has anyone got this officially as it would be nice if it came to fruit. Once instructor had told me he was advised it is now in place but cant find the actual IAA documents backing it up.

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Hi John,

The aircrew rule was changed in October by EASA and came into effect on 11th November. However the AMC and GM (which outlines the details of the rules) has not yet been published. The last I heard is that they were suppose to be published last week but I've just checked and they have still not been published. I'll try to update the post as soon as I have the details. There's still a few grey areas, e.g. will the hour with an instructor count or if the rating is expired, can you do the flight test on a microlight / non-EASA aircraft. Hopefully the AMC and GM will clarify the details.

Since you've just renewed your SEP, this won't affect you until the second year of your rating so hopefully you'll have a clear answer by then!

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mark thank you for the reply and good to know it was not just a rumor

From what the instructor told me it will be the same as SEP rating, if expired have to re sit a flight proficiency test like I did last year, essentially a mini flight test to check and make sure your still a safe pilot.

from talking its a very broad test and starts when you shake hands with the instructor as he gets a good feel for you as a person.

I have just bought a share in a micro light here in Kerry so wanted make sure I don't lose my SEP rating

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Hi John,

That's correct, however it's best to do the test with 3 months of your SEP expiring then it's just a straight LPC. If you let the rating expire, then you may need to go to a school or club to get a course completion certificate specifying whether training is required or not and then do the LPC.

Anyway, hopefully the situation will be clarified soon and all of your 3 Axis hours will count.

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Any more on this men?

Can 11 of the 12 hours needed to renew the traditional SEP(A) Land rating be flown in a 3-axis microlight with the hour dual flown in a flying club Cessna or Piper?

This really needs to be highlighted and explained as 50% of students who pass their EASA PPL A skill test simply, "give up", due to financial constraints.
This may make a Marginal gain in the amount of skill test successes who can afford better margins.

This must be discussed.

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Hi aerocork2000,

Still no update, waiting for EASA to publish the AMC and GM to the last update in Oct/Nov last year. In the current crisis I don't expect it to be published any time soon.

If you're looking for hours to be counted, talk to Mark Brereton (087 661 7115, info@funflyaerosports.ie) at FunFly Aerosports in Limetree. He has a Savannah S aircraft registered as a Group A so you can log those hours under the current rules to keep an SEP current. You'll still need to do you're one hour with an instructor in a certified EASA aircraft (Piper, Cessna etc.).

Of course, there's always the option of doing an LPC within 3 month of the rating expiring rather than flying the hours.

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Hi all,

So the AMC/GM have been published for this and I can confirm you can now count hours on 3 Axis microlights towards the revalidation requirements of your EASA SEP rating. I'm not sure if this is intentional or not but you can't do the 1 hour training flight with an instructor on a 3 axis microlight. If anyone wants references the changes are in Annex I and Annex IV.

The main parts are in Annex I, specifically;

AMC1 FCL.140.A; FCL.140.S; FCL.740.A(b)(1)(ii) Recency and revalidation requirements

All hours flown on aeroplanes or sailplanes that are subject to a decision as per Article 2(8) of the Basic Regulation or that are specified in Annex I to the Basic Regulation should count in full towards fulfilling the hourly requirements of points FCL.140.A, FCL.140.S, and FCL.740.A(b)(1)(ii) under the following conditions:
(a) the aircraft matches the definition and criteria of the respective Part-FCL aircraft category, class, and type ratings; and
(b) the aircraft that is used for training flights with an instructor is an Annex-I aircraft of type (a), (b), (c), or (d) that is subject to an authorisation specified in points ORA.ATO.135 or DTO.GEN.240.

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FCL.140.A are the revalidation by experience requirements for the LAPL
FCL.740.A(b)(1)(ii) are the revalidation by experience requirements for the SEP rating
Microlights are Annex-I (e) aircraft and therefore no training is permitted in them for the purposes of revalidating a rating, point (b).

Hope this clarifies the situation for everyone.

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Mark thank you so much for the update

Well the 1 hour I wouldn’t mind too much

Suppose it ensures all testing is done on group A aircraft

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Good evening Mark,


small discussion going on in the group I am in, we are trying to decipher, can 3-axis microlight hours be used for the PPL (A) or SEP 12 hour renewal requirement.

The annex above seems to list LAPL only not the SEP/PPL(A), good chance I am missing something as trying to read through them on my phone.

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Hi John,

The EASA PPL(A) is a lifetime licence so there are no requirements for keeping it current (obviously in order to use it you need a valid medical and rating but the licence itself is for life). What you're keeping current is the rating which is an SEP (LAND). The LAPL licence has a different structure so best to ignore that if you don't have one!

So because you're keeping the SEP(LAND) current, FCL.740.A(b)(1)(ii) are the rules that apply. The updated AMC says the following (my emphasis):
All hours flown on aeroplanes or sailplanes that are subject to a decision as per Article 2(8) of the Basic Regulation or that are specified in Annex I to the Basic Regulation should count in full towards fulfilling the hourly requirements of points FCL.140.A, FCL.140.S, and FCL.740.A(b)(1)(ii) under the following conditions:
(a) the aircraft matches the definition and criteria of the respective Part-FCL aircraft category, class, and type ratings; and
(b) the aircraft that is used for training flights with an instructor is an Annex-I aircraft of type (a), (b), (c), or (d) that is subject to an authorisation specified in points ORA.ATO.135 or DTO.GEN.240.
If we then look at FCL.740.A(b)(1)(ii) [which is the revalidation by experience requirements of an SEP(LAND) rating] it states:
within the 12 months preceding the expiry date of the rating, complete 12 hours of flight time in the relevant class, including:
— 6 hours as PIC,
— 12 take-offs and 12 landings, and
— refresher training of at least 1 hour of total flight time with a flight instructor (FI) or a class rating instructor (CRI). Applicants shall be exempted from this refresher training if they have passed a class or type rating proficiency check, skill test or assessment of competence in any other class or type of aeroplane.
I hope this explains it, it's not easy to explain this kind of stuff in writing! More recently Flyer magazine also carried an article on it https://www.flyer.co.uk/easa-agrees-hou ... wards-ppl/ although the text is very simplified for easy reading.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Good Morning, Hello and a Question

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Mark thank you very much, i need to sit down and go through them in more detail, (and slowly), as sometimes its like double dutch to me.

Thanks for all your help.

i need to get more active on the forum instead of just asking questions all the time

Stay safe and happy flying

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