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Fire & Forced Landing in Wicklow

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:07 pm
by Bladecrack
Can anyone confirm the type and registration of the helicopter that is reported to have caught fire and carried out a forced landing near Newtownmountkennedy in Wicklow last Thursday?


Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 5:14 pm
by Vmax
I believe it was an Enstrom, F280 I think, on a G reg. That's all I know.

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:05 pm
by Bladecrack
Reported to be G-WSEC.

I am familiar with this heli

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:40 am
by EI1830
Hi All,
I live very close (<1mile) from the location of this accident but did not visit the site or verify the registration. In fact on the evening of the accident while getting into my car to go out, I was curious to know who was burning stuff 'cos the smell was a bit odd :shock:
The heli was based around Glencree/Powerscourt or certainly operated regularly from here. I am involved in a club that operates Radio Controlled fixed wing and heli's on the south west side of the Great Sugarloaf mountain in Wicklow. On more occasions than I have fingers and toes to count them this heli flew (in my opinion) dangerously close to or right through an area populated by R/C models.
While we are all aviation enthusiasts in the club and love to see full size as much as anybody else, top of my list of things-to-do was to contact the registered owner of the heli to point out the potential hazard to his heli or more importantly whoever was in it.
I guess I can scratch this from my list then :oops:

Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:35 pm
by Bladecrack

Were your R/C flying activities and schedules NOTAMed or published anywhere that the helicopter owner could look them up and and be aware of them? There is occasional R/C flying near my local airport at weekends and if you are in the vicinity, ATC will make you aware of it, other then that I don't believe it is NOTAMed, therefore anyone else flying outside controlled airspace but not talking to ATC would be unaware of it!

Hi Bladecrack

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:19 pm
by EI1830
I have as yet very limited full size experience and zero navigational training so I don't speak the speak. I am reliably informed that the location of all registered R/C flying sites held by the Model Aeronautics Council of Ireland, MACI is published in some relevant docs or books to avoid potential hazard. In fact one of our midst and a very qualified pilot and CIAM delegate has pointed out that the location of these sites is available to pilots.

I was not having a go at the guys that operated this heli for being irresponsible. I had it on my list of things to do to let them know of potential danger as I am secretary of the club. It falls on my shoulders to type & send letters or emails on behlaf of the club or to make contact whth whoever necessary. It had come up in many conversations that "whoever is flying that Enstrom wouldn't last long if he met a 10-20Kg moving object by accident" or words to the same effect.
The fact that the R/C club has flown in the area for 53+ years is well known but we could never assume that it is universally known either. We all like to see aircraft operating but would not like to be complicit in any form of incident.

As a guideline, models should operate below FL500 as far as I am aware, please don't quote me on that :oops: as I am not certain. It is not easy to judge as your only input is visual, different sized machines make judgement even harder and we have no instrument feedback to know for sure. It gets even more difficult too when your line of sight is a 3D vector. How far out or up is the model? Very subjective?
I think you could probrably see where the "under 500feet" logic comes from though.

I hope you can see that I am far more positive than negative on this thread and only posted for our mutual good...I don't have a bad word to say and it is not my style to do so either :)
Later... G

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:52 am
by Vertical T/O
EI1830, Just to inform you, I noticed you mentioned that R/C should stay below FL500. I think you might have meant 500ft. FL500 means 50,000ft. However if your helicopters can reach 50,000ft you need to share some information with us full size pilots.

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:01 am
Haha very very true...

Technically, *apparently, verified by a girlfriend and also a flying friend*, the law states that any device capable of hovering over 9ft is classified as intruding aerospace, if it can continually operate at that altitude, any ideas???

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:22 pm
by tiny
Any update on the reportfor this incident??