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Which one would you pick?????

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:00 pm
by koala119
Bachelor of Engineering Degree in Aviation Technology from D.I.T Bolton Street


Bachelor of Engineering Degree in Aircraft Systems from Carlow IT

All opinions/comments/advice appreciated


Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:36 am
by JFH

Re: Which one would you pick?????

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:47 am
by Bob
Well said JFH, keep your education as broad as possible. Don't be sucked in by these gimmic courses, cause that's all they are.

Why limit your options, there's nothing stopping you seeking a career in Aviation Engineering after you get a degree Mechanical or Electronic or Electrical Engineering.

Re: Which one would you pick?????

Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:48 pm
by Nidata
Not sure I agree with the term gimmic Bob, and I'm pretty confident that those students on either course are not really happy with your description either.
The Depts. of each college carefully develop the syllabus of each course in order to maximise the Graduates chance of a career in whatever field they persue. The Educational awards and Dept of Education then ratify the course as Degree (Hons) or an ordinary Degree, and each potential course is scrutinized and weighed for it's effectivness during it's learning phase and afterwards in it's benefits to the workplace and graduate. The broad spectrum degrees are excellent in training the graduate who wants to have a broader choice in the field of their choice. EG Mechanical Engineers can work in many engineering enviorments. However if you choose an Aviation specific then you've made your choice before you enter the course, and what's wrong with that ? Doctors, Vets, have been doing it for years.
As an employer I would much prefer to see an interest from as early a stage as in possible in the candidate's chosen field. Also what's wrong with choosing Aviation Engineering after a primary Engineering degree....Money for one, Time for two.
To answer Koala119 .... Carlow (my two cent worth) 8)

Re: Which one would you pick?????

Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:22 pm
by koala119
Thanks for your comments. I suppose at the end of the day a Degree is a Degree no matter what its in and thats what it comes down to. It would be interesting to see what reaction the aviation industry as a whole thinks of a prospective employee that has a Degree in either Mechanical or Electrical engineering in comparison to either of the Aviation related Degrees mentioned. Who would get the job in the end? I suppose a persons experience will have a lot to do with it too, the degree will just cement it.

I know that both these Aviation Degrees are quite new and it will be unknown territory for those graduates competing for engineering jobs in the aviation sector with those who have the standard mainstream engineering Degrees.

Time will tell i suppose! Unless there are any captains of aviation industry here reading the forums and could give us there opinions?

Thanks again for the comments guys, I have until Aug/Sept 2011 to make up my mind! :lol:


Re: Which one would you pick?????

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:36 am
by Bob
From Carlows website;
Graduates of this course can expect to find employment as a:
• Development Engineer: working as part of a design team developing and testing aircraft systems or components.
• Maintenance Engineer: testing, calibrating, maintaining and upgrading aircraft systems. Maintenance Engineers are typically employed by the airlines or by specialist aircraft maintenance organisations.

This is a loud of rubbish. Unless, you count the guy making the tea and sharping the pencils as part of the team, maybe the guys from the top of the UL class will get these jobs.
You won't have any experience so no one will hire you as a maintenance engineer.
In the course of their studies, students will be also encouraged to take the EASA examinations so as to satisfy the knowledge requirements for an European Aviation Safety Agency EASA licence (A, B1.1 or B2).
Thanks Carlow for explaining what A, B1.1, and B2 means.
Also thanks for failing to tell us how you'll need to have another 5 years’ experience working on aircraft before the IAA will give you a license.
Unless, that is, if someone can prove to you that the COURSE not the collage is a EASA Part 147 approved, in which case, then it's just 2 years on the job experience you'll need.
If they say they have course approval then ask them if you can see there Maintenance Training Organisation Exposition.

One thing that will probably take up a great proportion of your practical work in Carlow is the building of their new RV homebuilt aircraft. The irony of this if you ask me is that these things are designed to be built by the guy off the street. It seems to me that it is more in the interest of a lecturer who likes to do his bit of flying than in the educational value of the student.
This is definitely is not a dig at the guys who have built home-built aircraft, I'm sure the commitment and challenges are great but when you've 100 young lads given a plane to build. Come on, what are they really going to learn?
Collage should be about learning to think outside the box not about building something that comes in a box.

I think if anything DIT is probably more on the ball at least it's broad course across the aviation sector. If you aren't, as quoted on the ITCarlow site, a "Matamatics"genius then I recommend this course out of the two.

Re: Which one would you pick?????

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:48 am
by Bob
Also what's wrong with choosing Aviation Engineering after a primary Engineering degree....Money for one, Time for two.
Who say's you can't orientate your Mechanical Engineering final year project around an aviation theme? I've a feeling that if you go into company with a good knowledge of engineering principles, having shown that you've proven initiative and a good result in your degree that you will win over the prospective employer quicker than if you go in telling them the story of "how you've always loved airplanes."