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what to do when ppl complete

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just wondering what can i do when ppl complete. obviously ill enjoy recreational flying. night rating i believe only allows you to stay in controlled air space ? aerobatics where can you do a course in? can you get a rating? i.r. is that worth getting? is there anything else????
ps i am too old to go on and do atpl etc.

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Concentrate on finding a way to enjoy recreational flying. That's not as easy as it sounds.

As for getting further qualifications, only you can decide if the pleasure and satisfaction you get from pursuing these is worth the time and money involved. The IR in particular is extremely expensive and demanding.

I am not speaking from experience here - I have a PPL(A) single piston land and that's enough for me, for the moment at least.

One relatively inexpensive option you might consider is a tailwheel rating.

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Well I made myself a list of 100 things to achieve in aviation none of which were unfeasible in Ireland or commercial related. I will put it up soon. The additional affordable and i.r. useful skills that might interest you include differences training on a tailwheel, seaplane rating (available in Enniskillen and you will be surprised how many places they manage to visit with the seaplane), the farm strip flying course in the UK as well as a whole range of other things that you could do with your basic PPL A or M. As I say I will put this up at some date soon.
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Nothing wrong with a night rating, it's useful experience. But it's really useable unless you live near a regional airport with class C airspace. The IR is difficult and expensive to get and maintain and you not much use to you unless you have access to a suitably equipped aircraft.

Tailwheel training is good. But I would suggest you simply start flying places. Go to fly ins and get to meet and know other pilots. After a bit of networking opportunites arise. You may be asked to go on trips to the continent or have the chance to fly something interesting. When I was starting off some of my best trips and rides came from chance encounters or someone remembering an expressed interest.

Once I met a friend at the airport. He told me he had someone drop out of a trip he had planned. Next morning I was on my way to Scotland. Another time I helped a pilot pull a Pitts out of the hangar. A short time later I was pulling 5gs in the Pitts and feeling a bit lightheaded as all the blood drained to my legs. 8) The pilot was Eddie Goggins.

One thing I always wanted to do was get checked out in something like a Tiger Moth. There are places in England that do it.

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Right here is a list of 100 challenges to try that I made up, some challenging, some just for fun, many that are both. Quite a few you will have acheived before getting your PPL. Make your own list or use mine but either way there is a lot you can do even here in Ireland with just your PPL.

100 Challenges to do

10 Milestones
1. Fly Solo
2. Pass Ground school exams
3. Fly Solo X-Country
4. Get your wings
5. Fly 10 different types
6. Get to 100 hours (group flying insurance milestone?)
7. Get a rating
8. Island-Hop
9. Build, Buy or Co-own your own aircraft
10. Fly on the anniversary of your first solo for nostalgic blast

10 People Challenges
11. Take a family member flying
12. Take a complete stranger flying
13. Take three people flying together
14. Take a person who has never flown before
15. Take a skeptic flying
16. Take an in-law flying
17. Take an anorak flying
18. Take a work colleague flying
19. Take a friend (not another pilot) flying
20. Fly with a professional pilot (not your instructor)

10 Club Challenges
21. Help organise a fly-in
22. Help organise a fly-out
23. Help fundraise for the club (if necessary)
24. Congratulate a club member on getting their PPL
25. Attend a club social event
26. Go on a weekend flying with other club PPLs
27. Ferry a club aircraft for maintenance / refuelling etc.
28. Clean the club aircraft
29. Become a member of your club’s committee or equivalent
30. Visit a service such as ATC or MET Shannon with club members

10 Aircraft Challenges
31. Fly a taildragger – difference training
32. Fly a seaplane / floatplane
33. Fly a TMG / SLMG
34. Fly a glider
35. Fly a twin
36. Fly a complex single
37. Fly a classic aircraft
38. Fly an aerobatic aircraft
39. Fly a single-seater
40. Fly in a glass cockpit

10 Landings
41. Land at an uncontrolled aerodrome
42. Land at a controlled aerodrome
43. Land on grass
44. Land on hard surfaced runway
45. Land at a licensed aerodrome
46. Land at an unlicensed aerodrome
47. Land on water
48. Land a ‘greaser’
49. Land a taildragger on three wheels all at once
50. Land from a glide approach

10 Trip Challenges
51. Fly in another country
52. Fly to another country
53. Fly over the sea
54. Fly to an island
55. Fly to a fly-in
56. Fly to a spot-landing event
57. Drop a flour bomb on a target (if still allowed/done)
58. Fly in a restricted/danger area
59. Fly to a public airport
60. Fly along a spectacular coastline e.g. Cliffs

10 Manoeuvre Challenges
61. Stall an aircraft
62. Achieve slow-flight
63. Do a steep turn
64. Sideslip a plane
65. Fly through your own turbulence
66. Fly in formation
67. Fly a circuit with at least three other aircraft in the pattern
68. Fly a rate one turn
69. Fly an aerobatic manoeuvre other than stall, steep turn or sideslip e.g. chandelle / lazy-eight
70. Fly an S-turn

10 GA Promotion Challenges
71. Take someone to an airshow
72. Write up an air experience for a magazine / newspaper article
73. Get local media to cover an event in your club
74. Put up photos of flying on a website
75. Take part / organise a Young Eagles day
76. Show Top Gun to someone who hasn’t seen it!
77. Take a video of flying and post on the net
78. Show Lift to a child by blowing over the top of a sheet of paper
79. Wax lyrical amongst work colleagues about going flying
80. Tell a non-pilot about Oshkosh/Tannkosh

10 Safety Challenges
81. Read the GASIL safety series
82. Read a flying magazine
83. Do a farm strip flying course
84. Read an authoritative book on flying safety
85. Attend a club refresher or safety seminar
86. Practice EFATO and PFL drills regularly
87. Get in a FNPTII simulator for some emergency training
88. Give feedback to EASA/IAA on aspects of their safety regulation
89. Appoint/Become a club safety officer
90. Fly with an instructor at the start of a season

10 Trickier Challenges
91. Land at all licensed civil aerodromes on the island of Ireland
92. Land in the most north/south/western and eastern licensed aerodromes VFR in one day
93. Fly at night
94. Fly upside-down (in an approved aircraft please!)
95. Fly an ex-military type e.g. Chipmunk
96. Fly a helicopter or gyroplane
97. Land on a slope greater than 1:20 or an altiport
98. Land in 2 international countries (not Ireland) in one day
99. Take your partner flying
100. Convince your partner you are not wasting too much money nor talking too much about your hobby
It only takes two things to fly:--- airspeed and money.

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Post by jonkil »

Papa 8,
my goodness, how do you ever think that point 100 is in any way achievable? !!

Good list actually, and I have done a lot of them, but many many more to do.

For what it's worth, life after the PPL is really good !!, but the one thing to do is fly, fly, and then fly some more.
I always feel sad at the PPL who tries his hardest to keep his licence current by turning up to fly a few circuits in the club aircraft achieving only the minimal hours to keep his/her PPL...... this happens all over the country.
In my case the answer was microlighting, this is affordable, and the social side is very strong, this is so important post PPL. We have a strong group of friends, all of which are microlighters, we tour Ireland regularly, we have been to the UK a lot of times, this possesses its challenges with detailed controlled airspace and MATZ zones... but it is a challenge that is worthwhile and very satisfying. We welcome anyone to join us on any of the flyouts. Details on the NMAI wewsite at http://www.nmai.ie

Read your licence! ... it states on it that you are afforded the "privileges" of flight.... remember that word.. it is a privilege that few ever achieve, so make use of it.

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Great list!!

Post by hum »

Wow! What a great to-do list!!

I must get to Belmullet one day - missed it out on the 'round Ireland Challenge' in May 2000 so 91 and 92 still elude me...

A few more things to do:

- Fly a homebuilt aircraft
- Build & Fly a homebuilt aircraft
- Fly in cloud
- Fly in icing
- Intentionally run a fuel tank dry
- Fly a weightshift aircraft
- Fly a Balloon
- Land with the engine off

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hum, some of those would be high on my list of things not to do! :lol:

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Post by driver1a »

Well I've managed 69 of Papa8's.

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Post by Flyer1 »

Well in the immediate my plans are.

- Tailwheel Signoff
- Night Rating
- Add Microlight rating to the PPL (A)
- Complex Signoff


Next summer
- Fly an Extra 300/Pitts solo (in the states)
- Compete in an aerobatics competition

At some stage when the banks are nice, i'm going to go the Commerical route aswell.

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Next summer
- Fly an Extra 300/Pitts solo (in the states)
- Compete in an aerobatics competition


No ambition to win that competition?!
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Well now, that would be a great bonus :D

I reckon if we end up competing against each other it should be interesting.

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me thinks AL in a tecnam would win! :P
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Post by michael747 »

Thats a fantastic list you've made up Papa 8.
Currently i've only got 39 of them done and hope to get another 20-30 done next year.
There's one thing thats definatly on my list though,
Thats to fly an ex WW2 military fighter like the P-51 or Spitfire.
There's a great place in The States where it's possible for a nice price of about $1500 :)

http://www.stallion51.com/
Regards,
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Post by captain slow »

HUM havent you done all those wishlist items already :lol:

Or at least some of them!

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