mosquito wrote:Just reading some of the posts re hrs solo and PPL and impressed to say the least by the low hour achievements. I take it however that these future candidates for the Nasa shuttle program did their training in the U.S. full time.
I did all my training at Weston and solo'ed in 11hrs, not full time either, those 11 hours were spread over 12 months.
45.0 hrs PPL
Did mine with OBA
I was ready for solo at 10 hours but weather did not allow it (gusts for a few days) So I had my 3 dual XC's completed before I soloed
In reply to mosquito's question when I came back to Ireland I soloed a Rallye after 2 hours dual so I'd imagine the Instructor here was also happy with my performance, tho the Rallye is a piece of cake to fly IMO
mosquito wrote:but are those PPL's who step off the plane (pardon pun) from these US schools up to scratch?? i have heard from instructors here that many require many more hours to be brought up to irish standards...and that your better off training in ireland...this from both irish and foreign instructors not school reps now. Just thrown it out there..
Irish instructors telling you its better to train in Ireland, now theres a shock.
For some reason its a popular opinion over here. The fact is a CAA examiner is not going to pass you if you are not a competent pilot, no matter what country you are in at the time.
I have been to three different schools in the US and I was a lot happier with the instruction I received there than I did with 3 different instructors in Ireland.
How exactly is flying every couple of weeks any better than flying each day? Is it because there is more cloud and rain in Ireland? One thing I have learned through my training in both countries is a lot of opinions on schools is based on no facts and just ignorance.
At the end of the day I saved a couple thousand euro and about a year in getting my PPL and I am closer to the career I want. Most importantly I have received more than adequate training and I am a safe and competent pilot.
My experience flying (trying to get off the ground each weekend) in Ireland was a complete nightmare and the costs are an absolute joke to be honest. If someone has the money and patience then fair play to them but I'm happy with my training in the US.
The feedback I have gotten from the Irish instructors when I came back was all positive as well so I seem to be up to these very high Irish standards.
Overpitcher wrote:Lighten up for Christ sake. Mine is bigger than yours, etc etc. We all have a goal ... Far too many variables for a straight forward answer.
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Flyer1 was quite exceptional but of course he had the advantage of quite a bit of unlogged hours with friendly pilots. Realistically given the syllabus it has to take about ten hours or so. It's worth pointing out that it is illegal for a pilot who is not an instructor to give instruction.
But in the end it hardly matters how long it takes to go solo. You go solo when you're ready or when your instructor feels you won't kill yourself and end his or her career simultaneously.
The average is irrelevant really. In busy airspace it can take longer simply because of the extra complexities. The likes of the RAF can demand certain hours but they have a higher standard to maintain plus military pilots are hot housed in their training.
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Mosquito i am rather annoyed at that previous post of yours where you question the abilities of people on this forum, i dont think an apology in advance cures the situation any better either.
Have you ever flown in "the sunshine state" or even the US???? because when people ridicule them they usually dont know what goes on there.
I trained in a Brand new, state of the Art, Liberty XL2! I had an instuctor with over 10000 hours.
Now you must ask the question from my point of view? Is the "part time" ppl that people do in ireland safe???? They spread 45 hours out over 3 years. I can see where your coming from but you do not know how well it works when you fly 3-4 hours a day.
Furthermore, Florida is a place where you can USE your ppl. I find it abseloutly ridiculous the way ireland behaves towards General Aviation, I wanted to go to cork recently and was PUT OFF by the 50 euro fee to park there. IS THIS SAFE??
In Florida when i did my night rating, I flew from my base airport to another airport approximatly 6nm north of it. There was 8 of us, each in a brand new Liberty XL2, we stopped into the local "bar" where we all had non alchoholic drinks and some food, we stayed untill about 11pm and we headed back to the base, i think i did 1.5 hours of circuits when i flew back to the airport. I got home at about 2am.
That is how you USE your ppl, the sooner that Irish Aviation wake up and see that they are being completely TURNED OVER the better!
And yes some people are unable to complete their ppl in the states, this is not due to weather, aircraft problems etc, it is purely down to ability and dedication and remember,
"Smooth seas do not make skillful sailors."
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