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Re: AAIU Reports

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:55 pm
by jonkil
Lynn wrote: As for advising me to go up to the “wee north” to do training. Wouldn’t I look sweet heading for training up there the way things are now. Maybe I could fly a tricolour out of the sunroof in case they didn’t cop the “fenian” car reg. Talk about having a death wish, I think I’d stand a better chance, in the lower forty, flying slow and close to the ground.
Quite right, very dangerous "up there".
Keep at the safer pursuits, ye will live longer..Image

Re: AAIU Reports

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:03 pm
by damienair
Here is another one closer to home. As long as people think it's ok to buy an un-airworthy machine from eBay and just give it a go for the craic we will unfortunately see reports like this. Thankfully the gentleman involved was uninjured, but he could have killed himself and others.

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This is a great thread, very funny indeed. I too thought that the initial poster was taking the piss, however after reading the last couple of posts I think he was being genuine. If so enjoy your training when you do get flying again. Nothing wrong with going into the ''wee north'' at the moment, I'm doing it weekly, Tandragee and Portadown are perfectly safe my friend. But anyway that's it. My last post on this mater.

Safe flying everyone for 2013. I'm looking forward to visiting the hanger for the day on Sunday to do some work on EI-ELV and get my little XL ready for the summer ahead. Hopefully see some of you guys at a flyin soon.

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Damien.

Re: AAIU Reports

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:37 pm
by Raven 912
Thanks for that Damien.

Unfortunately the Committee of the NMAI are very disappointed with this report.
Lets look at the facts contained in it

Fact. The Aircraft is required to be registered by the IAA.
Fact. The aircraft is required to have a current permit to fly.
Fact. The pilot is required to have proper training and a licence.

Facts not contained in the report.

Fact. The NMAI submitted all the paperwork to the IAA to register one of these aircraft over two and a half years ago and, despite regularly chasing up on it, have still recieved nothing so it is a fact that it is impossible to register that aircraft in Ireland.
Fact. Without registration it is impossible for anyone to oversee the airworthiness of these aircraft and also impossible to get a permit to fly.
Fact. Despite numerous submissions from the NMAI and IHPA to address the licencing requirements for Powered Parachutes over the past six years, the IAA have refused to address any regulation pertaining to Powered Parachutes. NMAI have requested on a number of occasions that this be addressed in AN P17. The Authority have stated in P17 that they will address it in another Aeronautical Notice. This never happened.
Fact It was pointed out on numerous occasions to both the IAA and AAIU that it is not possible to get a Registration, Permit or Licence for Powered Parachutes under the current IAA rules.

Although the report is factual we believe that ALL facts should be contained within it. Clearly some are not.

NMAI do NOT condone any unsafe practices, untrained or unlicenced flying of any kind.

Makes you wonder though. If this pilot had access to proper training and licence, maybe he wouldn't have acted in the manner in which he did. Education is a wonderful thing.

Simplicity is genious and may just save someones life some day. Why does it have to become Rocket Science just because it flies?

All the best
Paul

BMAA and NMAI Powered Parachute Inspector

Re: AAIU Reports

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:21 pm
by bumitch
Have the IAA ever given the reasons why this effective ban on "powered parachutes" is in place?

Have they banned Cirrus aircraft also? :)

Re: AAIU Reports

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:48 pm
by Raven 912
Now this is the thing. There is no ban whatsoever and that is what they would tell you. When we chase them up on our member's one they just say they're working on it or, we're nearly there but nothing ever happens.

As these aircraft are by definition Microlights, they come under the NMAI but the IAA have consistently refused to deal with them under the current Microlight licencing requirements ( P17 ) , which, incidentally has been recently been published with changes despite the fact it's supposed to be under review by GASCI. ?????????

So, the short answer is that they will insist that they are working on it but they have been saying that for the past 6 years. They have also adopted a policy of no communication regarding licencing with the NMAI and have failed to reply to all correspondence from the NMAI since October 2011.

They also told the last GASCI meeting that they would not name the members of their Instructor and Examiner Panel as they are in opposition to the NMAI. We have no idea what this means.

Now the accident we have been telling them about has happened and some poor bugger has ended up getting slated over it.

The frustrating thing is that every second word they say is Safety but the pictures don't quite match the soundtrack.

It's now debatable as no licence or licencing requirements exist for this aircraft whether or not a licence is actually required to fly one

Re: AAIU Reports

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:26 pm
by Lynn
There you go, that’s how to do it. Accident report done and dusted in a little over 5 months. That’s the way it should be done and that’s with hundreds of witnesses that could be interviewed.

To quote the report;-
“The United Kingdom Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) website showed that the aircraft was classified as a microlight but had been de-registered on 7 February 2011. It had not been re-registered in Ireland where microlight activity is regulated by the Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) which requires that it be flown by a properly qualified pilot. The aircraft was not currently registered and the Pilot did not hold a pilot licence.”

Well now here’s the thing. He obviously wanted to and was able, up to a point, to fly it but there’s no way he could get it registered here so there’s no way to get a permit. If he wanted to do training there is no training available. If there’s no training available there’s no way to qualify for a license. Can anyone tell me why this is the case?

Regards to all
Lynn

Re: AAIU Reports

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:20 am
by BDoyle
I maybe off the point here but It would appear that the IAA do not want to be involved with GA, full stop. We are probably a bit of a nuisance to most of them.
For example, I wrote to the CEO in July 2011 to request the help of the IAA in the introduction of a Strasser scheme here similar to the one used in the UK. The CAA have said it is a safety issue and I pointed that out to the CEO. I received a polite reply from one of his senior staff saying they would investigate the matter and get back to me. Despite a reminder from me I have not had any response, nothing. I think I will dust down that file and contact every one of the Directors and ask them. No point in asking the Department or Minister they will just pass the buck to the IAA. Or maybe I will just give up ...................much easier.
Not great lads for our fees, taxes, charges etc.

Re: AAIU Reports

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:59 pm
by RV BLUE
Seems odd indeed that a public agency would defer a reply, be it positive or negitive. Im wondering if there are regulations in their agency mandate that a final response is due within ninty days. The FAA here is only a regulatory agency and not an enforcer, and as far as I know a response is due within ninty days (will check that).
I would be calling every day..........

Re: AAIU Reports

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:41 pm
by Lynn
In no particular order here are a few quotes from this thread;-

• Priceless, I'm busting my sides laughing at this..... Can you imagine the faces on the guys in the IAA reading this........, and they read everything on this forum!!!
• Last few posts spot on. Think the generous and genuine responses to the OP show what a decent and considerate bunch we are. The IAA should be thankful they don't have callers like that to their offices.
• They also told the last GASCI meeting that they would not name the members of their Instructor and Examiner Panel as they are in opposition to the NMAI. We have no idea what this means.
• I maybe off the point here but It would appear that the IAA do not want to be involved with GA, full stop. We are probably a bit of a nuisance to most of them.
• Seems odd indeed that a public agency would defer a reply, be it positive or negitive.
• When we chase them up on our member's one they just say they're working on it or, we're nearly there but nothing ever happens.
• It’s time the public servants in this country spent more time serving the public and less time serving the public service.

Should we dare to challenge our masters?

Like it or not the IAA is a cash cow for our beloved leaders and as such has been let run well beyond a healthy stretch from the regions it should occupy.

Obviously there are many good eggs who strive to do their duty in a noble sense but there seem to be those who think they can make it up as they go along. Maybe some of them lads didn’t make it into Templemore, T.G. for small mercies.

Surely only one person in the IAA needs to read the forum here or is there duplication of effort? I could do that job on my own, no bother, who do I send my CV to? I could even work from “Home” for fear of upsetting anyone in the nerve centre.

There seems to be a festering disagreement between the regulator and the oppressed, And it seems there are many people in the shadows here who are terrified to step into the light for fear of being singled out for “special” attention.

I say it’s time to puncture this boil and let the poison escape, it will be ugly for a while but it’s the only way that this state of affairs can evolve and grow into what could be a better future for all those involved in leisure aviation on this little island.

Lance at the ready
Dr Lynn

Re: AAIU Reports

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:04 pm
by Figle
Oh my god will this tread ever end think it has been played to death at this stage!

Re: AAIU Reports

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:03 pm
by Lynn
Someone said;-

“Oh my god will this tread ever end think it has been played to death at this stage!”

As far as I know this is an open forum. If my interminable ranting and whining irritates you I would respectfully suggest that you stop reading it.

Where are the people defending the authority? Their silence is deafening.

Maybe some people think that they don’t need defending. Maybe their double standards are ok if you’re “fixed up”.

Riddle me this. What’s the difference between the Easter Bunny and an Irish trained flexwing pilot?

As a matter of interest how many Irish trained flexwing Pilots are there in existence?

Oh yeah that’s right......

Endlessly yours
Lynn

Re: AAIU Reports

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:38 pm
by WingCommander
Would you ever give it a rest, you lost all respect when you started talking sh1te about flying around a field teaching yourself, get a life. There is something to deal with jokers like you, it's called Microsoft Flight Simulator, go buy it. This forum is for real pilots, who get real training, have or want real PPL's & intend to fly within the legal requirements! The last person I would like to meet when I'm out flying is you!

Re: AAIU Reports

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:13 pm
by Lynn
Well excuse me for wanting to play with the “real pilots”. As for meeting me out flying, I will hopefully be flying a flexwing so one of us should be keeping a good lookout.

I don’t remember coming on here looking for respect. I did however point out a few fundamental truths and did ask a few awkward questions, but I seem to be wasting my sweetness on the desert air.

One last thing, how many pilots on here could put their hand on their heart and say that the “powers that be” would suppress a report of an incident involving them? Grease for the goose......

Great to be back in circulation
Lynn

Re: AAIU Reports

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:37 pm
by WingCommander
Ah well we'll probably be safe enough for a while as you will only be flying up to 50ft, just make sure you don't go out on a windy day, you might go to 100ft and wet your pants. So what's your real story? Why so pissed at the IAA? Or is it all authority you have a problem with, did you get beat up by an IAA guy at school? Did the IAA refuse you something? Are you missing a leg/ arm or maybe you have a gammy eye? I hear flying model aircraft is good fun, might suit you! Or perhaps flying a kite?? Don't rule out Microsoft Flight Sim, you could set it up in your living room, turn off the lights, and put on a pilots uniform. It would probably be much more fun then flying around a field at 50ft on your own........ and it would be safer! :lol:

Re: AAIU Reports

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:14 pm
by Pilot
WingCommander wrote:Would you ever give it a rest
+1

If you came here honestly and made your point in a straight forward way people might have been willing to listen to you.

But you came and misrepresented your position and lied continiously in your "stories" so that nobody takes anything you say seriously.

Any opportunity to explain your grivance in an open an honest way has been lost.

So I'd echo the "give it a rest" comment.

P