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Cessna Rigging Expert/Split Costs Visit

Post by aviatorsguide » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:13 am

Hi,
Just looking to see if any Cessna owners/groups/clubs would be interested in getting the top Cessna rigger from America over to do a few planes to make the visit worth while. There are no Cessna Pilots Assoc (CPA) trained riggers over here, and to be honest you are only paying for an Irish mechanic's discovery time in asking for specialist work like this to be carried out regardless of where you go. The guy that is top of the pile is John Efinger from Texas. See what pilots say about his rigging work here:http://www.cessnarigging.com/pilotssay.htm

The benefits would be hands off flying, easy trimming, steadier approach handing and faster cruise speed (poss 10-15kts). When you fly the legacy series aircraft you can be sure there are items that need attention. One only has to fly a new build Cessna to see the difference in the feel of them. If you're interested in having a dedicated expert having a look at the rigging/flight controls/snags/niggles of your Cessna drop me a PM and we can split the travel costs. The cost of the re-rig is approx €525/$700 and it takes two days. I seen an aircraft that baffled an Irish maintenance organisation for 5 years, sorted in two hours when a specialist came from the US. Nothing offensive but, it takes a priest to say mass.

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Re: Cessna Rigging Expert/Split Costs Visit

Post by inverted » Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:31 am

Camshaft.
I think you have a nerve making a post so personal,
If one trolls back through your own posts, the reoccurring theme is that of knocking people, clubs and maintenance organisations.
The question was asked if anybody would like to spilt costs regarding bringing in an expert to re-rig an aircraft. Nowhere in the post did the original poster have a go at any Irish maintenance organisations on an individual basis. I find it mind numbingly ironic that you can have a pop shot at one organisation then change your tune, quote:”contrary to what i may have said on a previous post about a certain maintainance facility, anything i wrote was based on their business ethics not their maintaince work or anything that concerned their maintainance facility” yet when an individual seeks to get expert overseas advice your make the post personal and have a go at him. Well the view from the moral high ground must be fantastic!
Get with the programme here. And stop having a snipe at any one who sticks there head above the parapet.
If one has a problem with any individual on this forum surely a PM would be more appropriate than a public flogging which seems to be flavour of the month lately!
We are a small community of here and it would be in our best interest to all get along!

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Post by aviatorsguide » Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:06 am

Ahhh look who we have here :lol: It was hardly the Enigma code to decipher your userid.

My post did not relate to, any Irish Maintenance facility or to writing or ineed to float flying as you managed to take a specific thread and ride it over 3 fences I suggest Gowran Park would be your best bet today.

Perhaps in my review of the CPA Riggers list I overlooked an Irish member, please show any evidence you have to support such an oversight. If there is a CPA trained rigger, with an IA qualification then I would be happy to have them quote for any work I may have. Owner operators of specialist aircraft benefit enormously from type specific clubs, and experts specific to that aircraft. This is done with safety in mind, and in that regard I make no apologies.

I already have a number of PM's from interested parties, so I take it Mr Camshaft you do not own a Cessna and/or wish to avail of the benefit of a split cost rigging task?

William
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Re: Cessna Rigging Expert/Split Costs Visit

Post by lorax » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:24 pm

Play nicely boys
Willy, should not anyone with a maint. Manual with the rigging page open, be able to produce the results you describe. I am not entering the maint facility debate as I am a diy permit man, however I believe either an aircraft is correctly rigged or it is not!
Do the cessna pilots Assoc et al have the leglislative authority to issue aircraft riggers qualifications?

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Re: Cessna Rigging Expert/Split Costs Visit

Post by aviatorsguide » Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:16 pm

Nice, I'm always nice :lol: If we leave Permit aircraft aside, I'm an ILAS/LAA member etc etc. Certified aircraft being maintained in accordance with an FAA schedule, cannot have their flight controls undone/adjusted/rigged by just anyone with a book on their knee. All maintenance, preventative maintenance, and alterations are performed in accordance with 14 CFR parts 21, 43, and 91.

Have a look here at the FAR's http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/te ... tab_02.tpl

It would be naive at best to assume, that simply anyone could go rooting at flight controls in a certified aircraft. It would be a bit like thinking.... I could leave a tyro my check-list and because that checklist says what to do A-Z, that person could fly the airplane perfectly. That's always fun to watch.

There are only a small number of FAA IA's in Ireland. I know them, and horses for courses they all have their own speciality area's. I'd like one for my next annual who has a specialism in rigging Cessna's. Not just from the book, but from notes/tools/experiences of doing hundreds/thousands of them for decades to a high standard. If there is such an IA in Ireland then I would love to hear about him/her.

The Cessna Pilots Association will issue the certification to somebody who has most likely achieved A&P certification or higher, which is issued by the FAA or it's designee's. A full list of International based riggers can be found here http://www.cessna.org/courses/international.html. Aircraft such as legacy series Cessna's are supported by organisations like this so that owners can find solutions to problems and improve safety. Neither they nor I should have any reason to defend the intent or ability, of the organisation to carry out such training.

There are a few things this thread isnt about. Think I've made that pretty clear. If anyone wants to start a new topic on any one of the above off topic items then feel free. However if you wish to split the cost's of an FAA IA who is a rigging specialist. Then please do drop me a line. Otherwise please start your own thread.

Yours in Christ,

William Flood

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Re: Cessna Rigging Expert/Split Costs Visit

Post by camshaft40 » Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:56 pm

Hi all,
Having sat back and taken a long hard look at all of my previous posts,some of what i said may have annoyed many forumites, if so i can only say sorry to anyone i may have offended along the way.
As for what i have posted on this thread were probably somewhat below the belt and uncalled for, and i can only apologise unreservedly for the comments that i made.

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Re: Cessna Rigging Expert/Split Costs Visit

Post by camshaft40 » Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:10 am

FIRST OF ALL MAY I INTRODUCE MYSELF AS THE REAL CAMSHAFT

As Mr flood has so publicly posted my name on the forum,which i think was due to the nature of what was posted, by no account was i responsible for any comments made about him or U.A.I in past posts, i have posted comments regarding EI-AB airshow which i think were quiet reasonable and well justified.I have no grieviances with Mr Flood or Usher Aviation and if i had would have no problem confronting them face to face.

As of from today i am cancelling my account that has been used or is been used by some other Gobshite that is obviously on some sort of mission to cause hassle.
On a final note i would suggest that Aviators Guide remove that post regarding CAM(SHAFT)BELLS to avoid any further bad vibes, i will find out who,why or how someone used my i'd posting these comments and will take the neccessary routes to make sure it stops now.
Also thanks to the good friend that put me wide to the post in the first place i only saw it yesterday.



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Re: Cessna Rigging Expert/Split Costs Visit

Post by aviatorsguide » Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:27 pm

by no account was i responsible for any comments made about him or U.A.I in past posts

Ahh just as I suspected
Rupert Murdoch's News International stable made it down to Abbeyshule and hacked a key commentators FII account, and used the identity in writing some really scurrilous things. When the perpetrator is found out, no doubt he'll be hauled over the coals by the Leveson Enquiry.

In the meantime....... while we wait for the shock hacking scandal of 2011 to unravel, you can read something useful like apporx 16 pages of rigging notes for Cessna's from the CPA here;

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/29255982/014tech-1.pdf

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