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Anyone know whats happnin with the loss of that plane ? Did the black boxes survive the explosion and were they read.

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Section 13, SI 460 of 2009:

(6) The Chief Inspector shall, as soon as practicable after submitting the final
report to the Minister (and where possible within 12 months of the date of the
occurrence), make the final report publicly available. Publishing the final report
on the Internet shall satisfy this requirement.

(7) If the final report cannot be made publicly available within 12 months,
the Chief Inspector shall make an interim report publicly available on each
anniversary of the occurrence, detailing the progress of the investigation and
any safety issues raised.

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So wheres that info to be got then.?

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From the Air Accident Investigation Unit's website.

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deckhand, what is your intense interest in this accident? You have been trolling on boards.ie looking for information and you only recently joined this forum. Are you a journalist?. The report will be out in the near future for all to read and do what they are designed to do, learn tragic but valuable lessons.

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Please don't use words like 'explosion' when discussing the loss of two fellow aviators.

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I'm surprised nobody mentioned the Military section of this month's Flying in Ireland magazine for an update on final report status. Though why this appears in a commercial magazine and not on the AAIU website is an interesting point.

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http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ire ... 70048.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There may be trouble ahead

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Flange Bracket wrote:
There may be trouble ahead
No trouble expected!
A section 19 appeal was made, it has to be acted upon.
The DoT and AAIU has to protect themselves when this happens.
The final report now has to go through a legal process which may take longer than usual.

Some safety recommendations were made but even they can not be published until a final outcome.
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Maybe im not reading this thing correctly but as JIM says that theres no trouble expected ,whats all the fuss about then ,?.
JIM by his statements must be aware of the report contents so .
What I cant and I presume many like me understand ,is that if the report is not a problem , why would an interested party seek to have its publication prevented and seek a judicial review of it so ?.
Just seems strange .

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@deckhand
Every interested party, ie, those connected to the event, get a copy of the report and if there is something within that they feel the need to challenge, then they have a right to do so.Minister Varadkar, whose interest in aviation escapes me, is simply doing what his officials have advised him is the right and proper thing to do, which is to withhold publication until the interested party has been satisfied. That's how it works. No sneaky conspiracy, no Area 51. Just procedure. The report will appear in good time.

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Media reports at the time said the aircraft was fitted with a voice and data recorder. The preliminary AAIU report said there was no problem with the aircraft. Therefore the final report must mainly be based on the crews actions as recorded. I wonder what grounds the appeal was lodged on. A dangerous precedent could be set here.

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Reading between the lines it's fairly obvious. Cadet Jevens parents have been in their local paper today, stating they want the report published and stating that it wasn't them who asked for the review.

That leads to an obvious conclusion.

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A WEXFORD family are calling for the report into the air accident that claimed the life of Cadet David Jevens to be published immediately so they can 'defend his honour'.

Cadet Jevens ( pictured, right), from Davidstown, Glynn, and Captain Derek Furniss (32), from Dublin, lost their lives when their PC-9M aircraft crashed while on a military training exercise on October 12, 2009, at Crumlin East, Cornamona, Co Galway.

Donal Jevens has confirmed that it was not his family that requested a review of the report that claimed the life of his son and his flight instructor Captain Derek Furniss.

The review was been ordered by Transport Minister Leo Varadkar under a statutory instrument which has never been used before in relation to an air accident here and allows for a re-examination if a report's findings 'appear to reflect adversely on the person's reputation or on the reputation of any person, living or dead'.

'We're asking for it to be published immediately. We know the truth, but we can't defend David to anyone,' said Donal, who pointed out that he is legally prevented from discussing the contents of the report itself.

Donal said he and his wife Liz have known the details of the accident for some 16 months, since a meeting with the Air Accident Investigation Unit (AAIU) in August 2010.

The draft of the final report then arrived in July of this year, at which point submissions were invited. Donal said that 'a very lengthy submission was put in by an interested party at that stage'.

He said that he and his wife also made a submission based on the draft report, but that it concerned 'a very minor thing in relation to an ongoing safety issue we felt needed highlighting'.

The final report from the AAIU was distributed on October 11 and was due for publication on November 8, before it was halted by the Department of Transport.

Donal said it is a very detailed and technical report and is based on data taken from the Cockpit Voice and Flight Data Recorder, as well as eye witness reports.

'The AAIU have done an excellent job in preparing this report. These reports are nonjudgemental. They are a statement of facts - the AAIU makes no decision on blame,' said Donal.

He said he and Liz are now concerned that the publication of the report may be significantly delayed. 'We want it to be known what happened our son,' said Donal. ' We find it very, very difficult in that we can't defend his honour - that's the biggest problem for us.'

He pointed out that they can't even discuss the report's findings with close family members and said that the review of the report may also set ' a dangerous precedent' for cases like this. ' We're afraid that the review process will become an endless stream of appeals and reinvestigations,' said Donal, adding that he has 'no idea whatsoever' when the report will now be published by the Department of Transport, which can even appoint a public tribunal with judicial powers to look into the matter if it feels it's merited.

' We would find it very difficult if this drags on for the next two or three years - or longer. And if it's not published then there are no lessons to be learned,' he said.
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Final Report now on AAIU website.

http://www.aaiu.ie/upload/general/13426 ... _016-0.PDF" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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