Helicopter forced to make emergency landing

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Re: Helicopter forced to make emergency landing

Post by StrikeCommand » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:49 am

It's important that accidents are discussed so that the lessons can be learned by all. The best time for that discussion is after the AAIU report (preferably final rather than preliminary) is published. Unfortunately despite the best efforts of the AAIU, it can take a long time (up to nearly 3 years) for some investigations to get to Final Report stage (although most are done much more quickly). Of course if you're part of an organisation that has been unfortunate enough to suffer a serious accident or lose a member/employee etc, then obviously you can't necessarily wait that long and you may have to take corrective action to prevent recurrence, much sooner, based on your own analysis of what went wrong.
We've seen comments on here before about "incidents" that people have seen or thought they saw. These may or may not have been reportable incidents but broadcasting aircraft registrations etc on an internet forum makes it very public.
If those that have "seen something" have any valuable witness information to give, then they should give it to an AAIU Inspector and they will decide if the information is relevant or worthy of further investigation etc. Otherwise, if we don't feel certain enough about what we have "seen" or "heard" to be able to do that and be able to stand over it, then we should say nothing at all.
Interestingly, when some AAIU reports are published, this forum goes strangely silent, especially when the report highlights the irresponsible action and risk taking of some GA operators. I have also seen at first hand how some individuals, after an accident, will seek to spin an altogether different version of events to suit their own purposes and it is just as well that we have an independent air accident investigation body to ensure that the real facts emerge.

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Re: Helicopter forced to make emergency landing

Post by bumitch » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:48 am

There are many reasons why observers of “occurrences” or “incidents” may not come forward. Significant other reasons would be a desire not to enter into the official domain in an area which could result in significant censure for the parties involved, notwithstanding firmly held views of the nature of an occurrence. Ireland is a tiny place, and the potential for leaks from public agencies undermines any confidence regarding confidentiality. Additionally, there are many who would wish to have as little as possible to do with the official aviation authorities of the state. And if it came, say, to a bun fight between a captain of a zillion hours, and a mere plebian, who do you think would win?

There is also a curious ambiguity and overlap as to which official agency a report regarding an incident should be made. Apparently the IAA is the designated authority for occurrence reporting per SI 285 of 2007, and provides online forms in support of this, yet the AAIU also has authority for serious incidents, in accordance with SI 460 of 2009. The latter also seems restrictive on the categories of individuals who may report, principally the pilot in command.

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Re: Helicopter forced to make emergency landing

Post by StrikeCommand » Thu May 08, 2014 11:08 pm

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This case was in Galway Circuit Criminal court - see link.

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Re: Helicopter forced to make emergency landing

Post by OnTheNumbers » Thu May 08, 2014 11:26 pm

Was wondering if that was why it was taking so long for the AAIU report to be published.
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