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    Angel Flight Ireland?

    by hum » Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:28 am

    This looks like a good idea in light of recent news events...

    http://www.angelflightsoars.org/pilot.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

    How about it?

    It needs suitably qualified + experienced pilots with access to, ideally, IFR-capable light aircraft.

    An feidir linn??? of course we can...

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    Re: Angel Flight Ireland?

    by OnTheNumbers » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:06 pm

    Same thing crossed my mind when I heard the news this morning.
    Such an additional option might have helped.
    Would there be enough crew/ac to be viable country wide?
    I can't help but wonder that if they lived in the East would the story have been different?

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    Re: Angel Flight Ireland?

    by furball » Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:04 pm

    This is something that I've been thinking about for some time and would love to see an Angel Flight Ireland get off the ground. The American model is a very interesting one to look at and obviously there would be big differences in how we do things here but here's some of my thoughts so far.

    1: Our friends across the pond are obviously dealing with much larger distances and in most cases not across water so transporting patients in light aircraft suits many circumstances. Ireland is of course much smaller and easier to transport patients to hospitals via road, but I'm sure there are many cases of people needing flights from more remote regions and even children who need to travel regularly across to London to go to places such as Great Ormond Street hospital. The is an area that I want to look into and meet with some representatives of hospitals here in Ireland to do some "market research"(for want of a better term), to see if there really is a need for this service. Does anybody have any contacts in hospitals who would be able to give me more information on this?

    2: The American Angel flight organizations(there are quite a few) require their pilots, in many cases, to have at least 500 hours, and in all cases, be IFR certified. With our weather the way it is, I can understand the need for this here too. Is this realistic do you think considering how hard it is for a pilot here to get IFR rated and have access to planes and airports that can transport people between hospitals? I'm a bit naive on this, so any help would be appreciated.

    3: In most cases, Angel Flight in America do not provide emergency medical flights but just routine regular transport for patients needing to travel for treatment. Also, in general, they do not transport people who are contagious and not mobile. So, in this particular case regarding this thread, it might not have been a viable option for a GA pilot to transport the organ, but hey...if there's a will, there's a way.

    4: Big business with corporate jets is another route to look at, along with airlines etc. Anybody know of any companies based here in Ireland with jets, that might be interested in helping transport patients on a regular basis.

    5: Obviously, with anything like this, you need to have some sort of database of willing pilots, hospitals, organizations etc to be able to co-ordinate patients with flights. I'm an IT professional so might be able to conjure something up to help in that area.

    As you can see, it's all just thoughts so far, but if anybody can help with some of the questions above, or juts have some thoughts themselves, please reply back.

    Thanks.

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    Re: Angel Flight Ireland?

    by StrikeCommand » Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:03 pm

    The sentiment and the aspiration are good. The practicalities may get in the way.
    You'd have to ensure the passengers were protected. E.g. how can you ensure that the aircraft being used are airworthy and that there is an adequate level of insurance for passengers?
    The GA pilot may well be delighted to assist if asked but in reality when his/her assistance is asked for, that pilot may not be in any position to respond. Just take the matter of drink. There would have to be a panel of aircrew on standby on a rota and for the duration of their "duty" they couldn't take any alcohol because either they wouldn't be fit to fly or they wouldn't be fit to drive to the airfield. Given the Irish national disease, that's a major consideration.
    When you put all those issues together with the other components that would be necessary to provide this kind of service, you see that you're back to a disciplined force, possibly military, but definitely state backed. In other words it would be better for us to demand that the government make proper provision for the emergency transfer of patients by providing a dedicated air ambulance service - possibly operated by the Air Corps on behalf of the HSE. It's all about resourcing. If GA pilots did cobble together some kind of voluntary air ambulance service it would let the government off the hook in the same way as they benefit from the work done day in and day out by carers of elderly relatives in their own homes etc who are saving the state millions and getting no recognition for it. It would just be enabling the government to continue on and ignore the problem.
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    Re: Angel Flight Ireland?

    by OnTheNumbers » Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:43 pm

    You'd have to ensure the passengers were protected. E.g. how can you ensure that the aircraft being used are airworthy and that there is an adequate level of insurance for passengers?
    Surely not that difficult - after all, AngelFlight in the US would have had to address this question
    There would have to be a panel of aircrew on standby on a rota and for the duration of their "duty" they couldn't take any alcohol because either they wouldn't be fit to fly or they wouldn't be fit to drive to the airfield
    Definitely not a superhuman effort.......fleets of voluteer lifeboat crews, pilots, ambulance drivers, medical staff, police, fire fighters seem to manage.
    If GA pilots did cobble together some kind of voluntary air ambulance service it would let the government off the hook in the same way as they benefit from the work done day in and day out by carers of elderly relatives in their own homes etc who are saving the state millions and getting no recognition for it.
    I think the idea is not about cobbling something together (no offence to shoemakers :-) ) but rather about people who have skills and facilities (a/c) available and who are prepared to volunteer them for the benefit of those in need.
    Let the emergency services handle the "routine" emergency - and that is indeed an State resourcing issue but Angel Flight mission is different; namely:
    We serve the community by flying patients to distant medical facilities, delivering supplies to disaster areas and reuniting families during desperate times.
    Hum,
    You mentioned the possible requirement of IR pilots and a/c. As someone flying regularly in that arena, do you think there might be enough people in the country who might meet the criterea and might be interested in volunteering?

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    Re: Angel Flight Ireland?

    by furball » Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:07 pm

    StrikeCommand wrote:how can you ensure that the aircraft being used are airworthy and that there is an adequate level of insurance for passengers?
    The GA pilot may well be delighted to assist if asked but in reality when his/her assistance is asked for, that pilot may not be in any position to respond. Just take the matter of drink. There would have to be a panel of aircrew on standby on a rota and for the duration of their "duty" they couldn't take any alcohol because either they wouldn't be fit to fly or they wouldn't be fit to drive to the airfield. Given the Irish national disease, that's a major consideration.
    These are very relevant questions if you're looking to provide some sort of emergency cover using GA pilots. Angel Flight in America mostly provides NON-emergency services which can be planned in advance eg. a cancer patient who needs to travel for regular treatment and who knows when they would need to fly etc. Another element of this is that Angel Flight patents always need to have a plan B in case the GA pilot that they have been linked with cannot fly or weather is so bad that a light airplane can't handle it.

    Also, Angel Flight only acts as a middle man between patients and pilots and only serves as a means to match patients with pilots who are available. Once they have been matched up, the pilot is fully responsible for the flight/plane/insurance etc.

    Here's an interesting page from one of the Angel Flight organizations answering some questions that pilots might have : http://www.angelflightmidatlantic.org/p ... ilot-faqs/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

    Thanks for the comments...any other comments or suggestions would be great to hear.
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    Re: Angel Flight Ireland?

    by Camroc » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:58 pm

    It would help to get the fuel Duty Free for flights within Ireland as to reduce costs for the Volunteer's. Just a thought

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