Night Flight around Boyle

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Re: Night Flight around Boyle

Post by hum » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:09 pm

There is no VFR at night here (or in the UK).
One can fly SVFR at night here (hence only in a CTZ) - whereas I believe one can fly at night according to IFR without an Instrument rating at night in the UK outside controlled airspace (think you must remain 'VMC').

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Re: Night Flight around Boyle

Post by private_flyer » Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:58 pm

So just to clarify 'cause I'm doing night rating in CAA land but want to know the rules of both CAA and IAA...

In IAA:
Can fly at night in control zone SVFR. No VFR outside control zones.
Can fly anywhere IFR so long as I have IFR rating and equipment?

In CAA:
Can fly anywhere at night under IFR without IFR rating so long as VMC exists?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: Night Flight around Boyle

Post by Pilot » Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:47 pm

private_flyer wrote:In IAA:
Can fly at night in control zone SVFR. No VFR outside control zones.

In CAA:
Can fly anywhere at night under IFR without IFR rating so long as VMC exists?
Both of these are correct. Just be careful on the IAA one. The last part should really read "No SVFR outside control zones and no VFR at night anywhere".
In IAA:
Can fly anywhere IFR so long as I have IFR rating and equipment?
I don't know enough about IFR flight in Ireland to be able to answer that.

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Re: Night Flight around Boyle

Post by hum » Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:21 am

IFR is remarkably simple...


Quote from rules of the Air SI:


Aircraft shall be equipped with suitable instruments and with radio and navigation
equipment appropriate to the route and the airspace to be flown.


The Personnel Licensing SI says you have to have an instrument rating to fly in accordance with the Instrument Flight Rules - regardless of airspace or met conditions.

The Operations SI (61 of 2006) says what instruments and equipment you must have to fly in accordance with the Instrument Flight Rules.. (AI, T&S, DI, pitot heater etc)

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Re: Night Flight around Boyle

Post by private_flyer » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:16 pm

IFR is remarkably simple...


Quote from rules of the Air SI:


Aircraft shall be equipped with suitable instruments and with radio and navigation
equipment appropriate to the route and the airspace to be flown.

The Personnel Licensing SI says you have to have an instrument rating to fly in accordance with the Instrument Flight Rules - regardless of airspace or met conditions.

The Operations SI (61 of 2006) says what instruments and equipment you must have to fly in accordance with the Instrument Flight Rules.. (AI, T&S, DI, pitot heater etc)
But when I fly to do my night rating am I flying effectively under special IFR in CAA as I don't have IFR? My understanding is there is no night VFR there? And can I fly anywhere in UK under this method?

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Re: Night Flight around Boyle

Post by Pilot » Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:06 pm

Hi Hum. So IFR isn't restricted to controlled airspace in Ireland? I often wondered if it was or not.

Private_Flyer,

In the UK there is no VFR at night.
In the UK you may fly IFR outside controlled airspace without an IR provided you remain in VMC.
Inside a control zone you can fly SVFR.

You can't do this in Irish Airspace, or anywhere in an EI registered aircraft.

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Re: Night Flight around Boyle

Post by hum » Fri Oct 29, 2010 5:37 pm

Pilot wrote:So IFR isn't restricted to controlled airspace in Ireland? I often wondered if it was or not.
No problem with IFR outside CAS, happens all the time, however, the issue is that:

- In Ireland, inside controlled airspace ATC are responsible for keeping aircraft from bumping into either the ground or other aircraft
- outside controlled airspace its the sole responsibility of the Commander... :)
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Re: Night Flight around Boyle

Post by bumitch » Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:51 pm

And we have lift off (of the space vehicle Discovery of the Sky)
Standard Instrument Departure
Climb though cloud layer
VMC on top
Now where will we go today?
VOR..ADF...VOR...VOR...
Destination airfield within controlled airspace
Standard Instrument Arrival
Descend though cloud
Localiser intercept
Glideslope intercept
Thump! We've arrived.
Tootletototo! Must be a Ryanair flight!

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Re: Night Flight around Boyle

Post by Pilot » Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:47 pm

Thanks Hum. Never knew the answer to that one ;)

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