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irish atc on strike

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:44 pm
by hum
Tomorrow wed 20 th 1400 to 1800z apparently

Re: irish atc on strike

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:30 am
by scraggane
can anyone give the low-down on this? IAA are certainly going out to paint their air traffic controllers as an overpaid, underworked bunch of wasters. I suspect this may not be the case, however.

Re: irish atc on strike

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:45 am
by Jim
The situation is that 15 controllers were suspended for refusing to operate the new equipment.
The stoppage is correctly stated by Gerry above for the 4 Hours.

The media attempted to sway the dispute towards the pay conflict.
That is not the case as their Pay and Pensions desputes is marked for hearing by the Labor court next Tuesday.

Re: irish atc on strike

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:22 am
by hum
This is a staggering abuse of power.

Imagine the public outrage if a "public service body" in charge of all road management in the country were to switch off all traffic lights and declare the national roads system closed?

Re: irish atc on strike

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:16 am
by inverted
Country strangled by a semi-state company......and were surprised because........?
MOL wants the atco's from the air corps drafted in to run the show, here here!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12292.html
It’s a national embarrassment that the country is being held to ransom by a small number of people but hardly surprising give the lack of accountability we’ve seen in the past from other unmentionable semi-state bodies.
This morning on RTE radio 1 it was claimed that this action will escalate.
We are gripped in the depths of a global recession and the skies over Ireland fall silent.
Well done folks,just what the country needs !

Re: irish atc on strike

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:36 am
by Fanstop
What would the situation be if i was to take off from say Trim at 15.00 today and fly to Newcastle through the Dublin Zone? Does closed mean 'dont go through' or there will be no 'service' provided. if i did go through could the IAA take action? after all if the controllers were 'absent' who could give evidence of the 'event'.

Re: irish atc on strike

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:25 am
by Dave
Fanstop wrote:What would the situation be if i was to take off from say Trim at 15.00 today and fly to Newcastle through the Dublin Zone? Does closed mean 'dont go through' or there will be no 'service' provided. if i did go through could the IAA take action? after all if the controllers were 'absent' who could give evidence of the 'event'.
Like any good airman ... you can check the NOTAMs:

A0078/10 - AERODROME CONTROL TOWER (TWR) NOT AVAILABLE.
A ZERO-RATE TRAFFIC FLOW WILL APPLY.
EMERGENCY COVER WILL BE PROVIDED. 20 JAN 14:00 2010 UNTIL 20 JAN 18:00 2010.
CREATED: 19 JAN 17:47 2010

so looks like only the tower is closed, airspace is still Charlie.

Re: irish atc on strike

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:58 pm
by jonkil
Michael O'Leary got it spot on tonight on RTE news.
"Get back to work or fire them".... bloody right, overpaid, under-worked bloody public servants who think they have a given right to €160,000 a year.... f**k them out in their ear and employ new workers on new contracts or do one better & do what Thatcher did in the 80's in England... Privatise the whole bloody lot, and not only ATC, all the over staffed/underworked Public sector in this country, its a national disgrace.
If we ran our businesses the way this country runs the public sector we wouldn't last long, the red tape and crap we deal with on a daily basis will regulate entrepreneurial people out of this country anyway, its getting damn sickening and about time something was done about it.

Re: irish atc on strike

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:14 pm
by 737DRIVER
Its an absolute scandal! They are making people fly full SIDS/STARS no shortcuts. In Cork today they would not file local flight plans as they have done for years! Said people would have to file a proper plan because of the work to rule. It's not going to help ATC-pilot relations which can already be very iffy at times. I certainly wont be in any hurry the next time they tell me "to land long and expedite to the club" :roll:

Re: irish atc on strike

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:25 pm
by Jim
@Hum
This is a staggering abuse of power.
If only people realized how true that statement is.
A handful of IMPACT members decided the outcome among themselves, and the rest had to follow or be outcast as scabs.

@inverted
MOL wants the atco's from the air corps drafted in to run the show, here here!
This should have been done! Ryanair, Aer Lingus, Air Arann and the rest fail to see why a semi-state body can be allowed to stall Irelands Airports.

@Fanstop
The areas remain CAS no matter what happens.
And there’s a lot more on the staff than just Controllers.
Plus, not all controllers are IMPACT members! and remember, there’s always someone there!

Today saw 2 further suspensions.
Tomorrow, will most likely see more suspensions, plus, another announcement of further disruption.
Semi-State Bodies should not be allowed union memberships, Wages and conditions are reviewed regularly by national wage agreements. Conditions are reviewed regularly by Health and Safety inspectors.

@jonkil
Thats €160,000 for a 24hr week!

Re: irish atc on strike

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:47 pm
by Bob
MOL wants the atco's from the air corps drafted in to run the show, here here!
Would the air corp atc guys have the appropriate training to take over Dublin or Shannon?

Re: irish atc on strike

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:05 pm
by Jim
Yes Bob, thats where most were trained.

If they were sacked, they will probably head for Spain......
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 991798.ece

Re: irish atc on strike

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:42 pm
by Bob
Oh right :oops:

I'll get my coat...

Re: irish atc on strike

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:54 pm
by Jim
Bob wrote:Oh right :oops:

I'll get my coat...
Dont forget your Headset! :D

Re: irish atc on strike

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:05 pm
by viz
A very one sided point of view been expressed here.!! The Stoppage is not directly about money as said above, its an attempt to halt the race to the bottom. These people are highly trained and yes they do have the power to cause a lot of disruption unlike a lot of ordinary workers whose boss jumped on the recession bandwagon to drive down terms and conditions.
:wink:

http://www.pprune.org/atc-issues/402624 ... ended.html