Airspace grab in Donegal.

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I doubt that the CAA will create that much class 'C' airspace without a radar and/or controller at the centre. I suspect it will be a lower class (D or E) that does not exist in Southern Ireland.

Jon, great graphic... Bellarena will be severely affected; have you spoken to them? You might find a 2-front approach ensures your interests are adequately taken into account by the I/CAAs.

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Gerry,
the graphic shown was only my interoperation of the airspace that "may" be created, based on the semi-circular arc on the IAA proposal over north Donegal, when you project the full 20NM circle the arc fits perfectly and it establishes the pan-handles as shown on their proposal.
I must look up the European charts I have and see how the rest of Europe handles this type of airspace on national borders.
There was talk on the grapevine some time ago that Eglington was looking for radar, but I don't know how factual this is, and you are probably right, the airspace on the UK side may become D or E if no Radar service/controller was at Derry.
The proposal would indeed have serious implications for gliding at Bellerena (Lovely strip by the way, have been in there quite a bit, great people) and I have talked to them and I would think they have made their own submissions on the proposal. Also to the proposed eastern pan-handle there is the parachute centre at Movenis, it would curtail operations for them to the north of their airfield.
There is 10+ local private airfields near and indeed in this proposed airspace that it would have a bearing on and we will probably set up an e-mail list to liaise with each other and adopt a strategy to bring this to a satisfactory resolution.
At this time there is no known proposal before the UK CAA regarding airspace changes to the Northern side of the FIR, but a lot of parties have their ears close to the wall waiting to see if a proposal is put forward, we will see what happens in the months that lie ahead.

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Instal a small ATIS device on Eglinton Field

This to broadcast continuously whether Stub has IFR traffic

Boradcast info good for 15 mins after receipt

Eglinton to handle grant of any stub clearances via R/T only

If stub down to 1,500 amsl, then not much room East of Newtown C

Best cheer

Maurice

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The powers that be in Eglington seem to be able to predict the future now ! ..... wonder which tarot line they rang for advice ?
"Allegedly" Eglington has installed the ILS equipment for 08 and "Allegedly" they even adjusted the thresholds to accommodate ILS approaches into the runway, and "Allegedly" they even run a trial of the ILS last week into 08.

They must be damn sure that the IAA/CAA are going to go ahead and award the clump of airspace when they went ahead and spent tax payers money setting this whole thing up !, makes me think that a nod and a wink was given long ago to this proposal, interesting times don't you think.

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I think you should watch a few ols eposodes of Yes Minister to see how it's done!!!!!

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Yes the ILS has been installed.
and yes It has been tested.
Calibrations were completed last Thursday.
But no money has been wasted as, they have done DME approaches, this does NOT use any Irish airspace.
It is still not official yet until CAA approval (Charts etc.).
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AOPA Ireland, One of the objecting parties to this proposal, has been invited to the meeting of interested parties at City of Derry Airport on 8th of April.

Full details will be sent to members shortly.
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Jim wrote:AOPA Ireland, One of the objecting parties to this proposal, has been invited to the meeting of interested parties at City of Derry Airport on 8th of April.
As has the Letterkenny Flying Club.

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Brief update on this..
IAA have provided AOPA Ireland with the following..

The Controled airspace will not come into effect until a Repeater Station is installed in Donegal Region.
Class C airspace will not operate without an ATS in operation in Eglinton.
This will ONLY be class C when an ATS are active and arrivals/departures are due.
Eglinton MUST publish operation times in IRISH NOTAMS
Transition of the airspace when active, will be accepted by any A/C on application.
CAA/Eglinton has been advised of Irish Air Law on mandatory Class C for ILS.
Those wishing to cross Loug Foyle/Swilly during Class C operation will be accomodated on a safe altitude.

AOPA Ireland invites anyone who knowingly has information of breaches of the above once it proceeds, to contact them on info@aopaireland.com , explaining exactly what the breach entailed.
We shall have no hesitation in following on from your input!
eg. ILS traffic wthout ATS, Non contact during published hours, etc.
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Latest Update...
Promulgation through the AIRAC IAIP will now take place with a planned effective date of 29th July 2010.
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A1043/10 - TRIGGER NOTAM AIRAC AMENDMENT NR 008/10 EFFECTIVE DATE 29 JUL 2010
INCLUSION OF EGLINTON STUD IN SHANNON CTA. 29 JUL 00:01 2010 UNTIL 12 AUG 23:59

The prowess of some of those Northern guys knows no bounds!

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Bluebeard wrote:A1043/10 - TRIGGER NOTAM AIRAC AMENDMENT NR 008/10 EFFECTIVE DATE 29 JUL 2010
INCLUSION OF EGLINTON STUD IN SHANNON CTA. 29 JUL 00:01 2010 UNTIL 12 AUG 23:59

The prowess of some of those Northern guys knows no bounds!
OMG!! :shock:
Shouls us Female's be blessed???? :oops:
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Only if the Stud is active :twisted:

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