Night Flying In Class G Airspace
  • RV BLUE
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    by RV BLUE » Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:22 pm

    Dont think I like that culture....'treat everybody like they are "chancers".....glad to be able to decide for myself if I want to fly at night. (GBA) :D
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    by dara » Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:16 pm

    I did 40 odd hours night cross country in florida but i still had to spend 5 hours flying in circles around waterford to get a cpl, i reckon its just a money spinner!
    If you are asking me if this old plane is safe to fly, how do you think it got to be this old?
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    by stovepipe » Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:12 pm

    Dara, It was a scam.If you met the requirement eight-fold, then the school was taking the piss..........RV, the IAA then were already aware of several individuals, who, with scant night rating / training, were often deliberately flying after the end of VFR, from badly-lit grass strips.It was an accident waiting to happen and the deaths of a few in marginal conditions only hardened the official opinion that night flight outside controlled airspace was a no-no.
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    by jollyrog » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:13 pm

    I do wonder about this rule. What's the escape clause if your runway becomes unavailable during the SVFR flight in the CTR?

    I've done some night flying at Waterford and it made me think. Yes, I suppose I'd have to go to Cork, but how does that work?
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    by OnTheNumbers » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:47 pm

    It was an accident waiting to happen and the deaths of a few in marginal conditions only hardened the official opinion that night flight outside controlled airspace was a no-no.


    I know what they're getting at but the solution to rule-breaking/bending is enforcement, not more stringent rules. It's one of the approaches to rule-making in many realms that is frustrating and terribly short-sighted.

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    by dara » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:50 am

    In fairness to the school it was the IAA who enforced it and the school covered the costs, but then again the school should of known this from the start!
    Morale of the story: Always do your homework!
    If you are asking me if this old plane is safe to fly, how do you think it got to be this old?
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    by shanecolgan » Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:00 pm

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    by Lambada Crazy » Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:19 pm

    Me thinks it might be an FTO as dara is training for a CPL!

    Anyhow, not to go off topic! It would be very usefull if one could travel Waterford-Cork at night and use pilot controlled lighting! we seem to be the only country going backwards in the world! If there are chancers flying in and out of grass fields at night, the law should come down hard on them. But for the rest of us, it is unfair to say that we are going to do likewise!

    Anyone in the IAA we could talk to?

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    by RV BLUE » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:41 pm

    "But for the rest of us, it is unfair to say that we are going to do likewise!"

    My sentements exactly....thats the way it should work. Well said, the powers that be are going overboard.

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    by Untouchable » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:46 pm

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    by Lambada Crazy » Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:07 am

    most airfields you will see that they are only approved for day VFR weather conditions, and will specify a weather minima. I remember being on Inisheer and the airport had on display its licence, and it said strictly day use only, they have lights and papis up there.

    Me thinks theyre probably pilot controlled ones too!
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    by OnTheNumbers » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:12 pm

    Untouchable,

    As I understand it (and I admit that I'm not IR rated), you can't fly IFR into a VFR airport.

    You would have to conduct the landing phase of the flight under VFR, which you can't do at night.

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    by dara » Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:04 pm

    Shane, That would be the one that have sent debt collectors after me!!
    If you are asking me if this old plane is safe to fly, how do you think it got to be this old?

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