Private Helicopter Near Coonagh

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Post by hugoj_air » Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:07 pm

I've called to Eamon's strip a couple of times now. A real gentleman. He
told me he's enjoying flying the Coyete microlight.
Your in Lanzorote. Your missing all the rain, I'm sure your sorry.
As for N222WX, it was Ian who seen it, I was driving and looking for the
turn off for Coonagh. I'll have to ask him what colour it was.

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Post by Xacto » Thu Aug 19, 2004 12:25 am

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If you have an interest in helicopters try this little trip while you?re in Lanzarote. Driving southwest on the GC 720 turn left just before the village of Uga to take the mountain road to Playa Blanca via Femes. Keep a sharp lookout on the right side of the road to see something really cool :wink: .

GPS coordinates are N28 55 50.3 W13 45 04.4

Have fun,

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Heli in Playa Blanca

Post by Rallye EIBFP » Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:56 am

Believe it or not, I actually saw that heli yesterday evening, while driving to Playa Blanca. It was too dark unfortunately to get a photograph. If that was in Ireland it would proabably be graffitied or something.

Yes Eamon is a real gent, The Cyote uses about 50ft of runway its really cool. Today is the busiest day at the airport so I?m off spotting, Saw a pullmantur 747 about 30 minutes ago.

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Post by mark » Thu Aug 19, 2004 12:26 pm

Hi guys,

I got a picture of N222WX last week at Weston. Click on http://flyinginireland.com/index/N222WX.jpg to have a look.

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Post by Rallye EIBFP » Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:03 pm

Thats it. But what is was doing at the Radisson SAS I shall never know. He was probably at Weston on business or something.

Cheers for the photo,
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Post by Krusty » Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:14 pm

Hi all,
Just as a footnote on the N222wx. I'm 99% sure that it's former identity is EI-BOR, Westair's Bell 222 which was based in Shannon for as far back as I can remember.

It was re-reg'd and went off to the UK a while back.
Obviously it's back in our skies again!
Many happy memories in that particular helo.

And kudos on the road-trip !

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Post by Rallye EIBFP » Thu Aug 19, 2004 8:30 pm

That might be a possibility. It seems to be based privately this heli could be N666WX either, its a bell either way.

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ACE so far

Post by Rallye EIBFP » Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:19 pm

Here are the aircraft I have seen here so far:

10/8/2004
Air Berlin Boeing 737-800 D-ABAZ
12/08/2004
Binter Canarias ATR 42 EC-GRU
Dutchbird A321 PH-DBA
Thomas Cook 757 G-JMCF
Excel 737-400 G-XLAB
First Choice Aiways B757-200 C-GTBB
Spanair a320-214 EC-IGL
Spanair A320-214 EC-IAZ
Aer Europa B737-86N EC-HJP
My Travel A320-214 G-KKAZ
Monarch A321-200 G-OZBI
Iberworld A320-214 EC-IEQ
Thomas Cook A320-214 G-TKKG
My Travel A321-200 G-JOEE
Monarch A320-214 G-MONW
British Airways A321-214 G-TTIA
First Choice Airways A320-214 G-OOAS

13th Auguest
Iberworld A320-214 EC-IMU
Iberworld A320-214 EC-INZ

19 August (Yesterday
Excel Airways B767 G-BNYS
Spanair Mc Douglas MD80 EC-FZC
First Choice Airways A320-214 C-GJUQ
Transavia B737-800 PH-HZX
Belair A320-214 9H-AER
Air Pullmantur B747-400 EC-IUA
Dutchbird(Condor) A320-214 PH-BMC
Spanair MD80 EC-GTO
Monarch A300-600R G-MONS
Brittania B757 G-BYAX
Belair B757 HB-IHS
First Choice Airlines B757 G-OOBF
Thomas Cook B757 G-FCLD
Monarch A300-600R (Old Colours) G-MAJS
FlyJet B757 G-FJEA
Aer Europa Boeing 737-800 EC-CCD
First Choice Airlines B757 G-CPEP
Binter Canarias ATR42 EC-EUJ
Iberia B757 EC-HDR

20 August 2004 Today
Iberworld A320-214 EC-IAG
Iberworld A320-214 EC-INZ
Binter Canarias ATR 42 EC-IZO
Futura B737-800 EC-IHI

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Post by dc3 » Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:51 pm

For the record the Radisson has a dedicated helipad.

I stayed there once or twice but as you can imagine, nothing came or went.

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Post by MCRO » Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:07 pm

Activities near Coonagh seem to be causing much interest.

Here we have an interesting, but very successful, variation on the standard airspace control/procedures

All traffic within 15 n.m of Shannon is provided with separation by Shannon ATC, but in the Coonagh cut-out (roughly O'Brien's Bridge - Croom) airspace below 1,000 ft is uncontrolled

A helicopter leaving Radison steering S.E. very soon does not have ATC separation if remaining below 1,000 ft

What to do about Coonagh ?

There is only one safe line of action : if in the vicinity of Coonagh's traffic zone, either conform with their established pattern (800 ft circuit to South of the field) or avoid altogether

Attempts to establish separation by Radio call are misguided - there is no requirement for R/T listening watch either by local traffic or by the A/G base station.

An assumption, after two unanswered calls, that there is no activity could be assumed to be a plan for self-destruction

This is surely the basic of basics

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Post by RV BLUE » Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:59 am

[quote="MCRO"]interest.


What to do about Coonagh ?

MCRO, theres only one thing to do....leave it the hell alone........Surely you dont want ATC to be "holding your hand" while your flying around the basicly deserted skies of Ireland.

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Post by MCRO » Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:37 am

Heavens No!

But judging by the amount of 'yapping' that currently goes on in the FIR there are many that think "multis in verbis iacet salus"

In particular there seems to be an expectancy that an A/G facility at an uncontrolled airfield can deliver traffic information sufficiently complete to provide separation assurance.

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Post by Rallye EIBFP » Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:10 pm

Marauce.

If it is all possible I think the pilots should be told to keep a traffic watch and announce themselves on 129.90 and N222WX has never once announced himself on that frequency. Shannon should advise them to switch and not stay on 124.75 , even though non radio traffic seems to be popular, like yesterday evening.

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Post by MCRO » Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:43 pm

Actually this is very interesting

A Radio Broadcast in the FIR is a very blunt weapon - distracting many to whom it has no relevance - and possibly illegal in absence of danger

The VFR circuit of an uncontrolled aerodrome is actually a very safe place indeed, from the point of view of collision risk - low closing speeds and minimalisation of possible conflict points

If everyone maintains the discipline radio has no role, except as a non-routine valuable aid to cope with unforseen situations

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Post by Rallye EIBFP » Sun Sep 05, 2004 7:23 pm

Perhaps you are right.

I have a question. Do aircraft which fly in and out of coonagh, particularly Club aircraft, make contact with shannon? Surely below 1000ft is a very low crusing altitude!?

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