Now Who Cancelled The Air Show ?????

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Now Who Cancelled The Air Show ?????

Post by Peter Joyce » Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:57 pm

Guys this press release has been relesed by Kildare County Council this evening saying they had no involvement in cancelling the Air show the press release is below

K i l d a r e
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NEWS RELEASE


1 June 2006



CANCELLATION OF AIR SHOW
Kildare County Council has today (1 June) learned of the cancellation of the Mach 1 Air Show which had been scheduled for 4 and 5 June at Punchestown. A council spokesman has pointed out that the event was cancelled by the show?s organisers and not by the local authority.

The organisers? agent asked the county council in January whether an event licence was required for the show. He was told that in the council?s opinion a licence was required, and was offered an opportunity to test this by getting legal advice or by submitting a case for consideration.

No application for an event licence was made to the county council.

The air show?s organisers have incorrectly claimed that the Irish Aviation Authority is the only statutory body that can licence an air show. The air show also required an event licence and every opportunity was available to the organisers to apply for one. The fact that they did not avail of such an opportunity is a matter of regret. Kildare County Council has never refused any application made for an event licence.

The council sympathises with all the people who were looking forward to the air show and who will now be disappointed at its cancellation.

The requirement for an event licence for the show is laid down in the Planning and Development Act 2000, (Section 230 ? copy attached). The county council had no choice but to tell the promoter that a licence was required for the air show: any other advice would have been dishonest and misleading.

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Post by K Byrne » Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:51 pm

they threatened legal action if it went ahead, they even refered to it as a illegal event!! how could they if it had a iaa licence.
i listened to the organiser and KCC on the radio last night and it was stated that the council had not made a decision up to 3 weeks ago as to if it required a events licence or not and sat on the fence.

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Post by Mach 1 Airshow » Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:01 pm

STATEMENT FROM THE ORGANISING TEAM

The Mach 1 Airshow was cancelled as a result of a threat of legal action by Kildare Co Council if the Airshow went ahead.
KCC were informed of the Airshow in Jan 2006 and requested information in relation to the airshow which was submitted, they then asked in mid April 2006 for a senior council opinion "to assist the planning authority in making a final determination that the event does not require a events licence" this was submitted accordingly.
On Tues May 23rd a letter was sent to the organisers stating "failure to comply with the planning authority requirements will result in legal action" and that in the Councils view the event required a events licence under the planning and development act 2000.
No Airshow staged in Ireland to date has required a Co Council events licence as the airshow is licenced by the IAA.

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Post by Sticksforward » Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:17 pm

I HAVE SPOKEN TO A FRIEND IN PUNCHESTOWN ABOUT THIS AND HE INFORMS ME THAT THE COUNCIL WOULDNT MAKE A JUDGEMENT ON IT FOR WEEKS AND THE ORGANISERS BENT OVER BACKWARDS TO HELP
IT IS A SHAME THAT THIS WAS LET HAPPEN AND A DECISION WAS MADE SO LATE.
I REALLY FEEL FOR YOU GUYS AND I KNOW HOW MUCH PUNCHESTOWN WANTED THIS TO HAPPEN AND ALL THE HARD WORK THE VERY EXPANDED TEAM PUT IN.
WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE OTHER AIRSHOWS NOW IF THIS IS A REQUIREMENT??

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Post by Biffo » Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:39 pm

I heard the radio interview last night on 104 FM and the spokesperson from Kildare Council hadnt a clue what he was talking about and was totally caught out when it was pointed out no decision had been made in mid april to whether the show needed a licence or not.
I also heard they wanted a bond of 85k to be put up by the organisers, this is all about money and nothing else.
Is it true that the Ryder cup does not require a licence......

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Post by alphaLaura » Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:44 am

:? This is all very Irish, don't you think. What happened during the planning of the Red Bull Air Race at Cashel last year? I mean, surely the Air Race event was comparable to this air show (maybe not in spectator turn-out, but at least in theory). How come that went ahead without hitches?
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Post by Pilot » Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:44 am

I also heard they wanted a bond of 85k to be put up by the organisers, this is all about money and nothing else.


That is exactly what I was thinking.

It seems very unlikely that whether a licence would be required or not would be much of an issue, unless there was a significant financial implication. If there was no major financial implication then surely the organisers would simply apply for the licence, and be covered whether it was needed or not.

The only conclusion I can draw is that if a licence was required, then there would be a lot of money involved.

That leave the question about who was trying to rip who off. I know neither parties involved. What I do know (from what's been stated here before) is that the team organising this airshow, organised a FREE airshow at Bray last year. This would lead me to conclude that they are not the money grabbing type. I can only conclude that KCC were less than reasonable. Maybe it wasn't entirely KCC's fault, but in my mind they will carry most of the blame.

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Post by RV BLUE » Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:58 am

[quote="alphaLaura"]:? This is all very Irish, don't you think. [quote]

I'm sure a lot of people worked very hard to put this event together, believeing "responsible" government officials would come tru and provide the nessessary paperwork for the event. Unfortunatly this did not happen, and the general public at large suffer. Reguarding alphaLaura's quote, yes indeed it is very Irish, and one could rightly assume that it has nothing to do with the rules, and is nothing but a personal "power struggle" of officials in government. It happens everywhere....should be interesting to see what happens. Interestingly enough these events are great for organizations like NAGI etc where they have the chance to gather membership entrants for the cause. Hopefully the will be at Galway....

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Post by buzz » Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:42 pm

I was not surprised when the show was cancelled. In fact I had my doubts about it ever going ahead in the first place. This is not hindsight I expressed these doubts on this forum some time ago.

Now it's cancelled but it's Kildare County Councils fault supposedly. A quick google turns up all kinds of info about events licences in various counties and it's not as if airshows never happened in Ireland before. Do airshows need event licences? Did Abbeyshrule need one last year? Did Bray. Salthill apparently doesn't have one even though Galway City Council requires one for an event expecting more than 5000 people.

If KCC's legal advisors are correct and an event licence is required then the Salthill Airshow must be in serious doubt.

So the apparent reason for the cancellation was KCC's threat of legal action despite a long standing precedent that airshows didn't need a licence other than one from the IAA? The cost of an event licence is only 2500 Euros. Perhaps this is the first time anyone has addressed the issue of events licences for airshows?

I actually find it difficult to understand how it all come have come to a head a mere 5 days before the event.

I just wonder how good ticket sales were. Perhaps if the Red Arrows were coming...........................

I always wondered about the viability of making it ticket only for a two day airshow on a bank holiday weekend. Airshows are popular but this is Ireland not Britain. We don't have the population for that. Having to buy tickets in advance put me off and a few others I know too. Airshows are so weather dependant but as it happens we got the weather! Better to have discounted tickets in advance and take in money at the gates on the day. An airshow is not a pop concert.

I must say I was not surprised when it was cancelled. It was a commendable attempt to organise an airshow close to Dublin and my sympathies to the organisers. Lessons learned all round I think.

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Post by tom in weston » Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:15 pm

Buzz I think you hit the nail right on the head, although I didn't have a problem with having to book and pay ?25 for a ticket in advance, it's all just a little suspect to me.

Check out my thread in the events section"Mach1 Airshow Cancellation"

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Post by Mach 1 Airshow » Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:37 pm

Buzz,

A full Event Plan was in place (350 pages) we also were working with a professional event management company on the show.
Your points on the Licence are very valid indeed, but please bear in mind the events which do not require a Licence (or any form of Statuory licence ie IAA etc) 2 of which took place this weekend!!
It also maybe worth noting that the licence application (Planning and development act 2000) clearly states for any event that is land based... a Air show is defined as a Air Display and not a event and the activity takes place in the air not on the ground hence the requirement for a IAA licence under the guidelines of OAM/198
All Emergency cover was in place for the event but KCCs failure to retract the threat of legal action meant we had no insurance and possibly no Fire cover as this is attached to KCC.

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Post by K Byrne » Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:32 pm

This smells of something nasty within KCC, i have spoken to someone in Wicklow Co Co regarding the Bray show last year and the county emergency plan was updated as a result of the safety plan submitted for the airshow.
The only reference i can find regarding events licences is that they are a requirement for Rock concerts and not for anything else.
The following events do not require one of these licences,

Country Fair Emo
Red Bull Flutag + Air Race
Ryder Cup
Tall Ships
Skyfest
St Patricks Day Parade
British touring Car Mondello
British superbike Mondello

If i were the organisers i would be really pi$$ed off at this stance by KCC.
WHY DID KCC STOP THIS EVENT AND THREATEN LEGAL ACTION.

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Post by buzz » Mon Jun 05, 2006 8:38 pm

That's very interesting. I hope you are consulting your legal team for potential claim against KCC. Their actions, I'm sure must have caused the loss of a not inconsiderable amount of money to the airshow organisers.
Plus I think, this issue needs to be put to rest as it endangers other airshows in country.

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Post by historical-avi-irl.i8.com » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:19 pm

I certainly think that this was an unfair decision on behalf of the County Council, and an agreement should have been able to be met, after all, they are after losing, without doubt, in excess of ?1m in tourism revenues - tax revenue!!!

I also agree that this could have major implications for other such airshows, which as yet have not obtained licenses and the period beforehand has elapsed.

I feel this is a great flaw in the planning system in this country and that certain parties were picked on as easy targets as they were more vunerable than maybe a larger event with a higher budget. I sincerly hope, for everyones sake, including the tax payer, that such an issue never arises again, and that the government re-thinks it's polcies on such issues to actually suit the people of Ireland, rather than make things unnessarily more difficult.

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Post by Chaos » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:21 pm

Sounds to me like the KCC hadn't arranged suitable Public Liability insurance cover in time for the event. This is a straight forward request and assuming the organisers clearly demonstrate that all reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure public safety then it's just a matter of KCC securing confirmation from the relevant Government Dept. confirming PL indemnity for say ?30m was in place. Conversely, the organisers whould have required their own Public Liability insurance cover to cover their own negligence (where appropriate). This type of insurance cover is readily available from the Lloyds London Insurance Market or other specialist risk carriers. Somebody dropped the ball, such a shame the event was cancelled.

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